You, Me, Empathy - Episode 65: Masks, Identity, and Sitting Still with Our Feelings with Cameron Mackail

Trigger Warning: A suicide attempt, and language around alcohol abuse are mentioned in this episode.

On Episode 65 of You, Me, Empathy, Cameron Mackail and I explore facing trauma, putting masks on to hide our pain from others, affirming our identities in mental health, and how we can get out of our own heads to confront and sit still with our feelings.


Cameron shares her experience dealing with treatment-resistant depression, and the suicide attempt that led her to a trauma-based rehabilitation/summer camp. Her suicide attempt, as Cameron describes it, was in reaction to a dire need for help and in pursuit of a “change so drastically needed that could only be accomplished through death by suicide.”

We also talk about masking our feelings from the people in our lives, to hide our pain from others in an effort to “protect” others from the highs and lows of depression and anxiety. Similarly, we explore identity, and how Cameron has struggled with basing her identity off of what others expect and say about her, as opposed to her claiming her own identity within her mental health journey and struggle—something we can all relate to!

How do we feel seen? How do we feel heard? How do we take charge of our own identities?

Finally, we talk about Cameron’s sobriety journey, her witchy exploration, feeling the truth of what you’re feeling, and Cameron’s most adorable and delightful and my favorite word ever for anxiety: The Squawks! :D Oh, and Cameron shares a little bit about her hand-made bowtie business!

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